Heeb

07.10.09 at 5:07 pm

Where’s the evidence that he’s a Jew?

07.10.09 at 5:07 pm

He told the Guardian that he is.

07.11.09 at 4:07 am

What’s the “evidence”? He’s mentioned his mother being Jewish (and father not being Jewish) quite a few times in the past.

On my end, I want the evidence that Woody Allen and Seth Rogen are Jews, because they’ve made a lot more Jewish jokes, not to mention spread a lot more blatant Jewish stereotypes, in their careers (Allen especially).

The count is something like: Radcliffe 1, Rogen 108, Allen 1039. Radcliffe’s still got a long way to go to out-joke and out-stereotype those two.

07.11.09 at 11:07 am

For modern American readers the joke should read: Do you know how zinc wire was invented?

07.11.09 at 11:07 am

For modern American readers the joke should read: Do you know how zinc wire was invented?

07.12.09 at 3:07 am

Really? Is it worth getting worked up over an inane, innocuous Guardian article?

07.12.09 at 10:07 am

People do enjoy a good work-up.

07.12.09 at 12:07 pm

How did anyone even get that far down in that article to get to it? Not to mention, his hanging out with the New York tranny set is the far more interesting bit.

07.12.09 at 10:07 pm

Aaah the Courtney Love defence “It’s OK if I make anti-semitic comments, I have a Jewish relative!!”.
Radcliffe’s gone quite out of his way previously to point out that, although his mother is Jewish, he does not consider himself Jewish (unlike Rogen and Allen)...until this furore erupted and suddenly he’s making chicken soup and donning a yarmulke?
Self-hating, homo-repressed convenience Jew :P
freaks out

07.13.09 at 4:07 pm

That’s not correct, Puck. Radcliffe has been saying something along the lines of “I’m very proud of being Jewish” for some time now (i.e. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-26/dirty-harry/full/). He never said he didn’t consider himself Jewish, only that he is not religious/is an atheist/etc.

Courtney Love is a different story, because it doesn’t even appear that any of her established ancestors were Jewish (see http://www.wargs.com/other/cobain.html). Her maternal grandmother, Paula Fox, was not Jewish, and it’s not clear who her maternal grandfather even was. Love just goes on droning about her Jewish ancestry because she thinks her grandfather, whose identity as I said, was unknown, was Jewish.

Plus, Radcliffe explicitly stated that he’s making a joke, while Love just randomly slipped in those comments with no context or reason whatsoever.

07.13.09 at 6:07 pm

I’ve never been down with the “Jewish Atheist” thing personally.
Had he made an amusing joke, people would’ve been less offended. The reality is there’s nothing actually humorous or witty about his comment (much like the comments re: Obama & monkeys) it is, simply, rehashing a tired old anti-semitic stereotype. One could argue in Love’s favour that she may indeed have a Jewish lawyer and a Jewish banker and that, therefore, her inane ramblings had some context. I can’t quite see what context you’re claiming for Radcliffe’s comments, unless the journalist had asked for another example of what a rampaging tool he is.

07.13.09 at 7:07 pm

Well, you may not be down with the “Jewish atheist” thing, but obviously such people are still Jewish. (And if you think Woody Allen isn’t some form of atheist, you’re kidding yourself).

I didn’t defend Radcliffe’s comment, I found it to be stupid and pointless. However, I don’t understand why the stereotypes routinely thrown out by Rogen, Allen, etc. are not similarly criticized (it seems the only time anyone is offended when someone puts Jewish stereotypes on screen is when Mel Gibson is at the helm). And no, it doesn’t matter if Love really had a Jewish lawyer, her comment was obviously playing to the old storyline of the money-grubbing Jewish agent/lawyer/etc. It was her need to point out that her lawyer or agent was Jewish (when this was not relevant whatsoever) that was offensive.

07.13.09 at 10:07 pm

“her comment was obviously playing to the old storyline of the money-grubbing Jewish”.
And Radcliffe’s wasn’t?? There’s a substantive difference (as you’re well aware” between a comedian taking the piss out of the way Jewish stereotypes are applied (Coehn in Borat for example)...and simply making an anti-semitic comment.
The difference is, presumably, the absence of satire. Rogen certainly takes advantage of the sattirical possibilities (though i’m confused as to which “Jewish stereotypes” you think Rogen is putting out there, none spring to mind and I’m quite a fan of his) and Allen is simply representing on screen what his personality is like off-screen. The other mind-numbingly obvious difference is that Rogen and Allen are making their comments in the context of a comedic ‘act’ on screen or on stage, as part of a scripted dialogue…not in an interview with a British tabloid.

07.14.09 at 12:07 am

Both Radcliffe and Love’s comments were playing to that stereotype – but at least Radcliffe made his in the context of a joke he was telling; Love just made an actual statement, meant to be taken seriously on whatever level. And, oh yeah and, unlike Radcliffe, Love isn’t Jewish. At most, her maternal grandfather was Jewish, but even that’s not been established since no one knows who he was.

While I know what Baron Cohen thought he was doing with Borat, what he was really doing is introducing various stereotypes of Jews to audiences who otherwise may never have heard of them (even if he was mocking these stereotypes). Stuff like “Jews caused 9/11”, which I’m optimistic enough to believe most American audiences hadn’t heard before watching the film.

As for Rogen and Allen. Rogen keeps making retarded comments like “I think I’m the first Jew on a motorcycle” or “I’m a fat ugly Jewish guy” (I just love those statements, where you have a few pejoratives followed by “Jewish”; I see those a lot).

As for their movies; jointly with a few other actors, Rogen and Allen have successfully and firmly stereotyped Jews as neurotic, ugly, glasses-wearing geeks who lust after beautiful women who are invariably portrayed as non-Jewish. The reason no one even calls this out as a stereotype anymore is because it’s become so ingrained.

07.14.09 at 3:07 pm

Maybe I just don’t get it but I don’t think it’s cool for either Jews or non-Jews to make jokes about Jews. I have been to Yad Vashim in Israel and seen the huge pile of shoes of the families that were killed. I think we should all encourage moving past stereotyping if possible.

Again, maybe I just don’t get it.
healthy diet plan